zondag, november 04, 2007
Yes, I'm ashamed
I found this following piece a tad bit racist - but on the other hand in the stories that are told in the link I provide underneath, racism was also applied towards the jews so, I suppose, that was the trend then, as it still is in many cases now.
The name Mislamin, Mussulman, is etymologically derived from the root Salem, “perfect, complete, enlightened, faultless,” or a man who has attained perfection in all his relations. The title or expression Malim, “master, or doctor,” is a term of offence to the Mahomedans, wherefore they are never addressed by it.
Should a Mahomedan be called or addressed in this manner unawares, he asks very angrily and offended, Ana Malim, “Am I only a master or learned man?” You have then to apologize, and to say that this offence was committed without thought, without any intention of wounding his feelings. The salutation Selam Alikun, “Peace with you,” should only be used among Mussulmans, but not from a non-Mahomedan to a Mahomedan, unless to offend him and be offended in turn by his rude reply. A non-Mahomedan has to address a follower of the Koran with Alla vi, “God be present.” Selam should be used only by and to a Selamen, Mislamin.
The only pity is, that the poor Mislamin is perfect already at his birth, and thus brings his perfections with him in the world like the animal, wherefore he has no necessity for any cultivation or improvement. But in modern times it appears that the Mahomedans do not regard themselves any more as so completely perfect, and are not so particular with the different titles, and tacitly submit to be styled once a while “learned, doctor, or master.”
Ladies & gentlemen, I present to you: Rabbi Joseph Schwarz
what's up with you btw? you blog looks more like a puzzle to me lately. Why aren't you blogging 'regulary' anymore?
(never mind that i am very busy lately)
Xoussef interesting huh! I would have thought the "alla vi" to be something french or latin orso :D
now after this blogging year i cannot help being amazed by how much my understanding of this shit has changed .. and it's a kinda difficult to continue blogging at the same rate after you discover that just the opposite of what you were originally thinking is happening ..
In a year or so, half of the blogging population will have stopped and we will be left with haaibaaitjes like you.
Nobody, can you give one concrete example from what is differently happening than what you originally thought?
well ... it's mostly technical stuff, tsedek .. i was not blogging for peace or in order to make the world a better place ... at the core i remain a right winger and even more than before ...
but say i was thinking that israeli jews will develop into more like a nation in which cultural identity based on hebrew will become a basis of national identity ... now i think that in the next decades israel will grow markedly more jewish and religious .... and i am not sure i will like the change
another thing is that i used to think that arabs/muslims pose a serious demographic threat to jews in israel and in general are posed to take over whole new regions in the world ... now i see that their demographic momentum is running out of steam everywhere, at least in the arab world.. i won't be surprised to see in two decades their share of the population in israel starting shrinking relative to the jews while their north african countries swept away by immigration from sub saharan africa ... part of this is because i just checked the data both for israel and for the region and the trend is very clear and it's nothing what i used to think ...
or i thought that the best chance of the arab world for modernization lies with their opposition .. now i think that their opposition, whether it's islamic or secular, is a bunch of nuts and loonies .. if anything, the only people who can actually move them forward are those of their dictators and kings who've gone reformist and if their so called democratic opposition takes over it will set them back for decades ... it will be another iran like story ..
stuff like this ... of course the next year i may go back to my original ideas ... nothing is stable in our region including my views
i was not blogging for peace or in order to make the world a better place ... at the core i remain a right winger and even more than before ...
so. . . rightwingers don't want to make the world a better place? LOL!!!
Anyway, you really think the country will turn more religious? I just can't believe so.
But sure: the "middle-east-dynamics" is one of the fastest changing dynamics of the world I think (or at least it feels that way for me) so 'up's and 'downs' change rapidly.
You'll be back :D
i was saying that only my understanding of technicalities has changed .. not that i turned into mr peace now ...
but in a way you have a point .. i dont believe in social reformism.. i am not a utopianist ... if people want to reform the world they can start by reforming themselves ... instead it looks as if many people are dreaming about how to create a perfect society ... it's impossible and counterproductive as far as i am concerned ...
apparently the same thing is happening on the other side .. this is what nizo and at least one another palestinian blogger say ... looks like a regional if not a global trend
"The other side"'s turning more orthodox is a known fact. Everybody talks about it. (in the respective countries, as well as in the WB and Gaza, although I got the feeling the WB is struggling not to become so -hamas vs. fatah).
Who knows Nobody the ominous 'prophecies' of both religions will become the truth :( Personally I know at least 3 religious who 'adore' Ahmedi because him being the 'tool' of God (and strange thing is he said so himself as well, but obvious with another intention) . . .
Weren't we speaking about 'fundamentalism' as a whole?
flappie that is so not true!
Until now there is in my opinion not yet any sign of anything snoezepoezerigs about you.
Nobody that was not the point *_*
Weren't we speaking about 'fundamentalism' as a whole?
as far as i know there are very few ahmadis around and they are not recognized as muslims by the mainstream islam ... of course i assume we are speaking about one and the same thing - you mean this guy who is claimed to be both the second coming of christ, the mahdi and everybody else in one person ???
anyway, fundamentalism is fundamentalism ... if it was all about new age cults, freak sects and new religions such as bahais or ahmadis i bet nobody would mind this so much .. but i am afraid that's not the case at all and what we are talking about is indeed, as you rightly noticed, fundamentalism
What do you think?
Flappie i'm no snoezepoes either. I don't really like those comparisons.